>> Eagan: MAYOR WALSH LET'S START WITH YOU, A POLL LAST WEEK WHEN PEOPLE WERE ASKED ABOUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE FACING BOSTON, IT WAS THE COST OF HOUSING.

AND HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU'VE BUILT.

BUT TWO-THIRDS OF PEOPLE IN BOSTON, TWO-THIRDS ARE RENTING ALREADY, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE BEING PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET.

SO I WONDER WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THOSE PEOPLE NOW, BEFORE THEY HAVE TO PACK UP AND MOVE TO FITCHBURG.

>> LET ME FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU BOTH FOR HOSTING TONIGHT, AND THANK WGBH FOR PUTTING THIS DEBATE ON TONIGHT, AND I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR JACKSON AS WELL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WHEN ELECTED MAYOR OF BOSTON WAS LOOK AT HOUSING IN BOSTON, AND WE PUT TOGETHER A HOUSING PLAN IN OCTOBER OF 2014 BECAUSE WE NOTICED THAT THERE WERE ALL KIND OF ISSUES OF HOUSING.

IN THE ALLSTON-BRIGHTON AREA YOU HAD HOUSING TAKEN BY STUDENTS, AND IN MISSION HILL WE DIDN'T HAVE BE ENOUGH SENIOR HOUSING, AND PEOPLE BEING PRICED OUT OF THE CITY IN 2014 AND BEFORE THAT.

WE PUT TOGETHER AN EXTENSIVE PLAN TO CREATE 53,000 NEW UNITS, LOW-INCOME HOUSING, MODERATE WORKFORCE HOUSING, SENIOR HOUSING AND CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ON-CAMPUS HOUSES IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

IN LAST THREE YEARS WE WORKED REALLY HARD AT THAT TO BUILD NEW HOUSING.

WE HAVE 9,000 UNITS OF LOW-INTRK MODERATE-INCOME HOUSING.

WE CHANGED THE INCLUSION DEVELOPMENT POLICY IN THE STFN, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO ACCEPT $57 MILLION MORE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THIS WASN'T BEING BUILT BEFORE.

WE WEREN'T SEEING PRIVATE DEVELOPERS BUILDING LOW, AND MODERATE HOUSING IN THE PAST.

WE ARE SEEING A BIT OF STABILIZATION AROUND THE CITY OF BOSTON, BUT WE STRIL MORE WORK TO DO.

IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CITY ECITABLE FOR INFORMATION I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS.

IN THE POLL IT TALKED ABOUT HOUSING BEING THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE AND THE SECOND ISSUE IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CREATING JOBS FOR PEOPLE.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE NOT JUST TO BUILD HOUSING BUT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD WEALTH AND CLOSE THE INCOME INEQUALITY GAP THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF BOSTON.

THIS HAS TO BE A CITY FOR ALL PEOPLE.

IT CAN'T A CITY FOR ONLY A FEW PEOPLE.

>> Eagan.

>> THE CITY OF BOSTON IS BUILDING WAY MORE LUXURY HOUSING THAN ACTUAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNDER THE WALSH ADMINISTRATION.

AND IN A JACKSON ADMINISTRATION, DAY ONE, WE WILL SET ABOUT TAKING APART THE B.R.A., WHICH SAY PROMISE THAT MAYOR WALSH ACTUALLY MADE.

INSTEAD HE JUST REBRANDED IT AND CALLED IT THE B.P.D.A., FOR $6,00000 THOU.

IN MY ADMINISTRATION, IN OUR ADMINISTRATION, WHAT WE DOLL IS TAKE APART THE B.R.A.

WE WILL PUT IN PLACE-- AND UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH THE B.R.A.

IS THAT IT IS NOT A TRANSPARENT ORGANIZATION.

IT'S NOT A CITY AGENCY, AND THE MONEY THAT IT COLLECTS DOES NOT GO BACK TO THE CITY OPERATING BUDGET.

SO THERE'S NOT TRANSPARENCY THERE.

IN MY ADMINISTRATION, WE WOULD DISMANTLE IT.

WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CITY DEPARTMENT FOR PLANNING, SEPARATE FROM DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WILL BE PEOPLE CENTRIC.

IN ADDITION, ON PUBLIC LAND, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PUBLIC GOOD DONE.

ON PUBLIC LAND, ONE-THIRD LOW INCOME, ONE-THIRD MODERATE INCOME, AND ONE-THIRD OF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE FOR MACT RATE.

>> Braude: CAN WE RETURN TO THE PEOPLE HERE ALREADY THAT MARGERY MENTIONED?

LET ME POSE ONE THING.

NEW YORK, SAN FRANCISCO, L.A., THREE HIGH-EXPENSE PLACES LIKE THIS, THEY VALUE SOME RENT CAPPING LIMITATIONS.

AS YOU BOTH KNOW, IN 1994, WHEN PEOPLE STATEWIDE REPEALED RENT CONTROL, PEOPLE IN BOSTON VOTED TO KEEP IT.

SHOULD WE LOOK TO SOME SORT OF RENT CONTROL TO KEEP RENT UNDER WRAPS FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE A UNIT?

>> IN THOSE THREE CITIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S ALSO LARGE STATE INVESTMENT IN THOSE PROPERTIES.

NEW YORK IS BUILDING SKYSCRAPERS WITH INVESTMENT FROM THE STATE THAT'S OFFSETTING THE COST TO BE ABLE TO BUILD LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT HERE A LITTLE BIT, WE DON'T BUILD LUXURY HOUSING.

PRIVATE DEVELOPERS TO.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE THAT MONEY FROM LUXLY HOUSING AND TAKE $57 MILLION THIS YEAR AND PUT IT INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION ACT, THAT THEY TRIED IN 2001 THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE CITY OF BOSTON IS BUILDING HOUSING AND WHEN YOU TALK TO A LOT OF OF THE ADVOCATES, WE'RE USING CITY-OWN LAND TO BUILD HOUSING.

>> Braude: HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ALREADY?

>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> Braude: WOULD YOU CONSIDER SOME SORT OF RENT CONTROL?

>> I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD WORK IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

>> YES, WE SHOULD CONSIDER.

AND GO FURTHER AND DEAL WITH SOME OF THE THINGS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

IN CAMBRIDGE, THEY HAVE NOW RAISED THEIR INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT POLICY, WHICH MEANS HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU HAVE TO BUILD IF YOU BUILD 10 UNITS OR MORE.

THEY RAISED IT TO 20%.

IN A JACKSON ADMINISTRATION WE WOULD RAISE IT TO 25%.

IN A JACKSON ADMINISTRATION, WE WOULD ALSO, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE-- AND YOU'RE ASKING A DIRECT QUESTION SO I WANT TO ANSWER YOUR DIRECT QUESTION-- WE WOULD TAKE $5 MILLION AND CREATE FLEXIBLE VOUCHERS, WHICH COULD BEGIN TO DEAL WITH FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR RENT RAISED NAP IS SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

ALREADY.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL HAS PUT FORWARD, BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT TAKEN IT UP.

>> Braude: 25%?

MAKE SENSE FOR YOU?

>> NO, IT WON'T WORK.

>> Braude: WHY NOT?

>> WE WENT TO 18% AND IN 2018 WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT NUMBER AGAIN.

I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

WE HAVE 11,000 VOUCHERS RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND THE BOSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY, WE HAVE 13,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN APARTMENTS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON BY THE BOSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS STARTING TO DIVEST FROM THAT.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK NOT JUST WITH MODERATE AND LOW-INCOME HOUSING, BUILDING IT, THOSE ARE THE POOREST OF THE POOR PEOPLE, PEOPLE EARNING $17,000 OR LESS.

WE MADE ANÑiÑiÑi LAST YEAR IN THE CITY BUDGET FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

AS WE THINK ABOUT HOUSING, WE ALSO HAVE TO PRESERVE THE HOUSING WE HAVE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEW PROGRAMS WE HAVE, IF WE TOOK THAT $5 MILLION AND PUT IT INTO PERMANENT HOUSING WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD 600 UNIT WHY PEOPLE COULD LIVE FOREVER.

>> Eagan: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED BCOUNCILOR JACKSON, IS THE FACT THAT LOW-INCOME HOUSING IS NOT AFFORDABLE TIE LOT OF LOW-INCOME PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A DIVERSITY OF INCOME IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT THAT?

>> FIRST WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT-- AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM MAYOR WALSH AS TO WHAT HE DEFINES AS "AFFORDABLE" IN BOSTON.

THE ISSUE WE HAVE, WE KNOW AFFORDABLE GENERALLY MEANS IN BOSTON FROM $70,000 TO $120,000 FOR FAMILIES OF FOUR.

WHAT WE KNOW IN BOSTON IS 50% OF PEOPLE MAKE $35,000 OR LESS.

SO THE HOUSING THAT MAYOR WALSH IS BUILDING THAT HE SAYS IS AFFORDABLE IS TO THE AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT.

IN ADDITION, 20% OF THE HOUSING THAT-- ACTUALLY, 20% OF PEOPLE IN BOSTON ARE ACTUALLY PAYING OVER 50% OF THEIR INCOME FOR THEIR HOUSES.

>> Braude: LET'S HOLD IT THERE.

ISN'T HE RAISING A LEGITIMATE QUESTION?

WHEN YOU HAVE A CITYWIDE AVERAGE LIKE, THIS PEOPLE OF LOWER INCOME IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING PRICED OUT BY THESE AFFORDABLE STANDARDS.

>> WE SET RECORDS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF BUILDING-- >> Braude: WHY IS EVERYBODY EXPLAINING COMPLAING IN EVERY ONE OF THESE POLLS IN HUGE NUMBERS?

>> BECAUSE IT'S A REAL CONCERN.

IN OUR CITY WE HAVE HAD 30,000 PEOPLE MOVE IN, IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS SO WE NEED TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY.

THE DEMAND IS SO HIGH IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, AND WHEN YOU PUT SUPPLY SPLOOI ON THE MARKET WHAT, IT DOES, IT BRINGS DOWN THE DEMAND, LOWERS THE RENTS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO.

AND MY ADMINISTRATION SMEALA DILLON, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THIS ISSUE EVERY DAY.

>> Braude: I HAVE TO HOLD IT THERE IF I CAN PUP MENTIONED THE CITY HAS TO BE FOR EVERYBODY.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ISSUES OF RACE, COUNCILOR, STARTING WITH YOU.

IN THE LAST DEBATE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN ROXBURY, YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT RAINFALL STRIVE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

THE BOSTON MAYOR DOESN'T BELIEVE BLACK LIVES MARRIED.

PRETTY INCENDIARY RHETORIC THAT MIGHT BE DIVISIVE.

YOU THINK MARTY WALSH DOESN'T BELIEVE BLACK LIVES MATTER OR YOU DIDN'T THINK WHAT YOU THOUGHT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES?

>> THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SAID HE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THAT REGARD.

YOUNG PEOPLE STEPPED UP-- I ACTUALLY SENT A LETTER TO HIS ADMINISTRATION TO LET HIM KNOW THE MARCH PRIOR TO THAT, THAT SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING AT BOSTON LATIN SCHOOL.

AND SO HE DID NOTHING UNTIL IT BECAME A CRIES, AND YOUNG PEOPLE WERE HARMED.

>> Braude: DOES HE NOT BELIEVE THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER?

YOU SAID IT, NOT ME.

>> THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT HE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.

IT'S ABOUT HIS ACTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS HAD AN ISSUE WITH.

PROGRAMS, STUDIES-- YOU'RE GOING TO STUDY-- ACTUALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT FORWARD AN R.F.P., TO DO A STUDY ON A DISPARITY STUDY.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IN THE CITY OF BOSTON .5% OF CONTRACTS THAT THE CITY PUTS OUT ACTUALLY GO TO BUSINESSES OWNED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> Braude: IS HE INSENSITIVE ON ISSUES OF RACE?

>> WELL,IC THE INTENSIVITY, I THINK, IS WHEN YOU DISMISS THE LARGEST-- THE N.A.A.C.P., WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION, THEY PUT OUT A REPORT AND YOU SAY, "I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE."

IT'S 218 PAGES AND YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

AND BOSTON, A WHITE FAMILY IS WORTH $247,500.

A BLACK FAMILY IS WORTH $8.

IN MY DISTRICT ALONE, FROM BACK BAY TO ROXBURY, THERE'S A 33-YEAR DIFFERENCE IN LIFE EXPECTANCY.

PEOPLE IN ROXBURY LIVE ONLY TO 58N'T 9 VERSUS 91.9 IN BACK BAY.

THE REAL ISSUE-- AND THE PROOF IS ACTUALLY IN THE PUDDING-- IN THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP IS ACTUALLY WIDENING, AND IT'S NOT CONTRACTING.

AND HE'S CUT THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS $140 MILLION IN FOUR YEARS.

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.

>> Braude: I'M QUOTE AGO BECAUSE HE DOESN'T THINK BLACK LIVES MATTER-- YOU SAID IT, COUNCILOR.

I DIDN'T SAY IT.

OR BECAUSE HE'S JUST MAKING THE WRONG DECISIONS?

>> HE'S MAKE THE WRONG DECISIONS.

>> Braude: OKAY.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE N.A.A.C.P.

WE DID A POLL HERE OF LIKELY BOSTON VOTERS.

"IS BOSTON A CITY WHERE THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN BE REALIZED?"

56% OF WHITES STRONGLY AGREED.

ONLY 33% OF BLACKS.

IN THAT N.A.A.C.P.

REPORT, QUOTING THE CITY'S STATISTICS, BLACK AND LATINO UNEMPLOYMENT, TWICE THAT OF WHITES.

THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP, AS COUNCILOR JACKSON SAID, HAS NOT IMPROVED WHEN YOU HAVE LATINOS AND BLACKS ON ONE HAND, ASIANS AND WHITES ON THE OTHER.

THE N.A.A.C.P.

GAVE YOU AN OVERALL "D," INDICATING NO REAL CHANGE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR BLACKS AND HISPANICS.

SO DESPITE YOUR EFFORTS -- AND I KNOW YOU HAVE MADE THEM, MAYOR-- HAVE YOU FAILED WHEN IT COMES TO REPRESENTING BLACKS AND LATINOS IN THE CITY?

>> NO, NOT AT ALL.

THAT REPORT, REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BASELINE IN THAT REPORT, THAT GOES BACK-- THAT'S A GENERATIONAL REPORT.

>> Braude: BUT ARE GOVERNMENT THINGS I SAID WRONG?

>> THAT'S FAILED POLICIES BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S FAILED POLICIES BY THE STATE GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S FAILED POLICY BY THE CITY OF BOSTON.

I HAVE NEVER BACKED AWAY ON THE QUESTION OF RACE AND MAKING SURE WE, WITH ON INCOME INEQUALITY AND RACISM IN OUR CITY OF BOSTON.

WE HAVE MADE GREAT GAINS IN OUR CITY IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE HAVE MADE GREAT GAINS IN OUR OWN HIRING IN CITY HALL.

WE MADE GREAT GAINS IN OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.

THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP IS NOT GETTING WIDER.

IT'S CLOSING.

>> Braude: THEY'RE WRONG WHEN THEY SAID THAT?

>> I SAY SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.

>> Eagan: GO AHEAD.

>> THE ISSUE IS-- AND THIS BECOMES AN ISSUE OF A MONOLOGUE VERSUS A DIALOGUE.

MAYOR WALSH IS NOT LISTENING TO THE BOSTON BRANCH N.A.A.C.P.

HE DIDN'T-- HE ALSO DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE-- IN THE BOSTON BOSTONPUBLIC SCHOOLS WHEN 4,000 STUDENTS WALKED OUT.

HE DIDN'T DISPATCH TO WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WHEN THEY SAID THEY WERE BEING UNDERFUNDED.

IN THIS REGARD, YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LATIN SCHOOL, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF BUSINESSES, AND ALSO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN STREETS AND COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE CITY OF BOSTON.

YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND LISTEN WHAT'S GOING-- TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE RECORD OF THE WALSH ADMINISTRATION OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO RACE AND RACE ISSUES.

RACE DIALOGUES-- WE HAVE THE FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF BOSTON WHERE A MAYOR HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

THAT'S THE BIGGER ISSUE HERE IN THE CITY.

>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

>> WE HAD A CONVERSATION THERE.

WE TALKED ABOUT-- THE COUNCILOR MENTIONED .5% OF PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE GETTING CITY-OWNED CONTRACTS.

WE DID AN EXECUTIVE ORDER LAST YEAR TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, HADN'T BEEN CHANGED IN A LONG TIME.

WE ACTUALLY MADE A CHANGE TO THAT, TO OPEN UP THE DOORS TO PEOPLE OF COLOR AND WOMEN AND VETERANS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS MORE CITY CONTRACTS, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH THE STATE TO CHANGE STATE POLICY THERE.

WE'RE WORKING ON HIRING IN THE CITY OF BOSTON SCHOOL DEPARTMENT, WITH OUR TEACHERS, TEACHERS OF COLOR.

50% OF THE TEACHERS WE HAVE HIRED SINCE I HAVE BEEN MAYOR OF THE CITY OF BOSTON ARE OF COLOR.

>> Braude: YOU WON'T DENY THERE ARE TWO BOSTONS?

>> I WON'T DENY THERE ARE ISSUES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, AND WE DEAL WITH THEM EVERY DAY, WHETHER EDUCATION, HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S POLICE AGO WHATEVER IT IS.

AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERATIONAL ISSUES HERE THAT NOBODY HAS EVER TACKLED.

MY ADMINISTRATION IS TACKLING THESE ISSUES AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TACKLE THESE ISSUES.

I COULD GO POINT BY POINT ON EVERYTHING THE COUNCILOR SAID AND REBUT HIM, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT TONIGHT.

>> Eagan: CAN WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC SAFETY?

IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY HERE?

YOU BOTH BELIEVE WE NEED MORE POLICE OF COLOR.

AND THE MAYOR SAID HE IS LIMITED BY THE CIVIL SERVICE EXAMS AND VETERANS' PREFERENCE AND TRIED TO WORK AROUND THAT THROUGH THE CADET PROGRAM.

IF YOU WANT TO GET POLICEMEN ON THE FORCE, POLICEWOMEN ON THE FORCE, WHO ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR FASTER, DO YOU GET RID OF VETERANS PREFERENCE OR GET RID OF THE CIVIL SERVICE EXAM?

AND IF YOU DON'T, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN?

>> I BELIEVE WE SHOULD MODIFY PART OF THE CIVIL SERVICE.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TO LIFE LIV IN BOSTON LONGER.

BUT I THINK IF MAYOR WALSH TRULY WANTS TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND TO GET MORE PEOPLE, THEN HE WOULD WORK WITH ON THE MASSACHUSETTS ASSOCIATION OF MINORITY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

THEY INDICATED TO ME THEY HAVE NOT HAD A CONNECTED RELATIONSHIP.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT OUT RECRUITING FOR A VERY GOOD AND VERY HONORABLE JOB.

IN ADDITION, MAYOR WALSH WOULD DIRECT THE COMMISSIONER TO STOP USING THE BIASED HAIR TEST.

THEY HAVE A HAIR TEST THAT ACTUALLY GIVES FALSE POSITIVES FOR SHORT, CURLY HAIR.

THE CITY OF BOSTON HAS SPENT OVER $1 MILLION DEFENDING THIS TEST THAT IS NOT-- NO LONGER USED WITH THE T.S.A.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE FEEL SAFE.

BUT, ALSO, I THINK WE SHOULD GO FURTHER AROUND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND ENSURE WE HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERAS FOR EVERY SINGLE POLICE OFFICER AND THAT WE HAVE A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD SO WE CONTINUE TO BUILD TRUST IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES SO WE CAN LOWER-- ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY-- ELEVATE THE RATE OF ARRESTS THAT WE HAVE IN BOSTON RELATIVE TO INCIDENT WHERE'S THERE'S A NONFATAL SHOOTING.

4% ISLET CLEARANCE RATE FOR NONFATAL SHOOTINGS.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS NOW IT'S 15%.

>> Braude: IT SAYS IT'S 20% ACTUALLY.

>> THAT'S STILL VERY, VERY POOR IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES AROUND THE CITY OF BOSTON.

>> Eagan: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BODY CAMERAS, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, DO YOU WANT A CHANCE TO RESPOND?

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

FIRST OF ALL, THE MOST DIVERSE COMMAND STAFF IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

WHEN WE WERE RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF BOSTON, PEOPLE SAID THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY AND IT DIDN'T.

IT DOES TODAY.

LISA HOLMES, IS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE TRAINING AT OUR ACADEMY.

THE CLASS THAT'S IN RIGHT NOW, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, 49% OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THE CLASS RIGHT NOW OF 130 OFFICERS.

70% OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN OUR CADETS ARE KIDS OF COLOR.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I ASKED THE COUNCILOR TO GIVE ME A BUNCH OF NAMES FOR THAT, AND HE GAVE ME ONE.

SO AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ADVANCE AND GIVE FOLKS IN THE ROXBURY TO GET ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

PRESIDENT OBAMA RECOGNIZED BOSTON AS A MODEL OF COMMUNITY POLICING.

WE'RE BUILDING UP RELATIONSHIPS.

WHEN WE SEE THE ISSUES AROUND THE COUNTRY, THAT'S SOMETHING-- AND I SAY THIS AARON OFTEN-- I START MY MORNING TALKING TO COMMISSIONER EVANS EVERY MORNING, AND IT'S GENERALLY HIM OR THE CHIEF WHO I AM SPEAKING TO ABOUT BUILDING TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN PEOPLE CRITICIZE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE, IT'S BOTHERING.

WE GO OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WHEN THERE IS A SHOOTING IN THE INTEREST RATES OF BOSTON, WHEN THERE IS A HOMICIDE IN THE STREETS OF BOSTON, TWO MOTHERS LOSE A LOVED ONE THAT DAY IT'S PERSON WHO GETS KILLED AND THE PERSON WHO PULLS THE TRIGGER.

AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON BRINGING THE SHOOTINGS DOWN AND WORK ON A NATIONAL LEVEL TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF GUNS IN OUR STREETS.

WE HAVE TAKEN 3,000 GUNS OFF THE STREETS OF BOSTON THE LAST THREE YEARS.

IT COMES DOWN TO WORK IN THE STREETS AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE.

>> Braude: LET'S TALK ABOUT A NONFANCY THING.

ROUGHLY 66% OF CURRENT OFFICERS ARE WHITE?

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I'M NOT SURE.

>> Braude: I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NUMBER WE SAW FROM THE CITY.

YOU TALK ABOUT THESE OTHER PROGRAMS.

EVEN IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL-- AND THEY'RE IFFY.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCRIMINALS GOING TO BE-- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LONG TIME BEFORE A MINORITY-MAJORITY CITY HAS A MINORITY-MAJORITY POLICE FORCE.

I KNOW THE CADET THING IS WELL INTENDED.

IS THERE A BIG IDEA THAT CAN GET US FROM HERE TO WHERE YOU BOTH SAY WE WANT TO BE OTHER THAN THE WELL INTEND IFFY ONE.

>> IF YOU ELIMINATE THE CIVIL SERVICE ALL TOGETHER, AND THE VETERANS HAVE VETERANS PREFERENCE BECAUSE THEY GO AND FIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY.

WHAT I HAVE TRIED TO DO THROOG YOU THE OFFICE VETERANS SERVICES IS TRY AND RECRUIT VETERANS OF COLOR TO TAKE THE POLICE AND FIRE EXAM SO THEY HAVE THE SAME ADVANTAGE OTHER PEOPLE DO.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON AS WELL TO TRY TO HAVE PEOPLE COME INTO THE CITY OF BOSTON.

>> Braude: IS THAT TRUE, YOU ONLY MADE ONE RECOMMENDATION?

>> I DID.

>> Braude: ONE RECOMMENDATION?

>> YES.

>> Braude: WHY NOT MORE?

>> THAT WAS A PERSON WHO CAME TO OUR OFFICE.

75% OF THE OFFICERS HIRED UNDER MAYOR WALSH HAVE BEEN WHITE OFFICERS.

90% OF FIREFIGHTERS HIRED HAVE BEEN WHITE FIREFIGHTERS.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CITY WORKFORCE, AND PARTICULARLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT IS A REFLECTION OF FOLKS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

AND THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY HAPPENING.

AND, ALSO, HE DID NOT ADDRESS THE FACT HE HAS NOT WORKED WITH ORGANIZATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE BRINGING IN PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH TO RECRUIT IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

>> ACTUALLY, I HAVE A BREAKFAST WITH LARRY ELLISON, HE REACHED OUT TO ME, AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO MAMO SO THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.

>> Eagan: LET'S TALK ABOUT POLICE BODY CAMERAS.

WE DID A POLL, 78% OF PEOPLE IN BOSTON WANT POLICE BODY CAMERAS.

90% OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WANT POLICE BODY CAMERAS.

OF THE 25 LARGEST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY, WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY ONES WHO DON'T HAVE POLICE BODY CAMERAS, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW.

WE HAD THE PILOT PROGRAM, WHICH ENDED IN SEPTEMBER.

BUT NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER NINE MONTHS OF STUDYING-- >> IT'S NOT NINE MONTHS.

LET ME CLARIFY.

THE 25 CITIES IN AMERICA THAT HAVE BODY CAMERAS IS NOT EVERY OFFICER.

SOME OF THOSE HAVE SELECTED OFFICERS IN THEM.

>> Eagan: THAT'S RIGHT.

>> A VERY SMALL NUMBER.

>> Braude: NOW NO OFFICER HAS THEM HERE.

>> NO OFFICER HAS THEM HERE IN BOSTON.

WE DID A YEARLONG STUDY AND NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY IS WORKING ON THE FINDINGS OF WHAT THE INFORMATION WAS.

THE FEEDBACK I RECEIVED SO FAR IS THERE HAS BEEN GOOD RESPONSE ON THE BODY CAMERAS.

THERE WAS GREAT INTERACTION IN THE COMMUNITY.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS WHERE THERE WERE INCIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE POLICE OFFICERS CALLED FOR SOMEBODY WITH A BODY CAMERA TO COME.

ONCE THE STUDY COMES BACK TO US, WE MAKE THE DECISION WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS.

>> Braude: THE DECISION MIGHT BE NOT TO HAVE THEM, CORRECT?

>> AND COULD BE TO HAVE THEM.

>> Eagan: WHEN DO YOU THINK WE MIGHT HAVE THEM?

>> DECEMBER IS WHEN THEY'RE BRINGING THEM BACK.

I WANT IT BEFORE DECEMBER.

THERE WAS A REPORT IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" THE OTHER DAY THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW BODY CAMERAS AREN'T WORKING IN SOME CITIES ACROSS AMERICA.

IT'S NOT DOING THE JOB.

WE WANT TO BE SURE IF YOU MAKE THAT INVESTMENT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WILL WORK.

IT'S NOT ABOUT A BODY CAMERA.

IT'S ABOUT BUILDING TRUST IN A COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN WEAR ALL THE CAMERAS YOU WANT, DP A YOUNG BLACK KID DOESN'T FEEL SAFE WALKING DOWN THE STREETS WHEN A POLICE OFFICER APPROACHES HIM, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE, NOT IN A BODY CAMERA.

>> Braude: COUNCILOR, I'M THINKING BACK ON YOUR APPEARANCES ON OUR RADIO SHOW, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY, DESPITE THE CRITICISM YOU LEVELED AT THE WHERE YOU DIDN'T THE BOSTON POLICE IS.

IS THAT NOT A FAIR STATEMENT.

>> I HAVE NEVER DISREGARDED THE WORK THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE, AND I THANK THE WOMEN OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO DO THAT JOB EVERY DAY BUT WE CAN DO BETTER THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN SUED FOR $38 MILLION IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.

SO IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO BODY CAMERAS.

>> Braude: WEREN'T ALMOST ALL THOSE $38 MILLION IN SETTLEMENTS PRIOR TO THE WALSH ADMINISTRATION?

>> THEY ALL WERE.

>> AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

THOSE DOLLARS WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

THOSE DOLLARS WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A MAYOR WHO HAS STUDIED A PROVEN TECHNOLOGY, RELATIVE TO MAKING SOME CONNECTIVITY HERE.

THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE DASH-CAMS.

WE HAD A SHOW CALLED "COPS" THAT WAS ON FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND IT'S NOW CANCELED AND THEY STILL DON'T HAVE DASH-CAPS.

HOW IS IT WE LIVE IN A LEADING TECHNOLOGY STATE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING HUGE COMPANIES HERE TO DO TECHNOLOGY, AND WE WON'T ACTUALLY USE THOSE TECHNOLOGIES IN BOSTON.

>> Braude: VERY BRIEFLY.

>> THIS ALSO IS ABOUT PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS.

HE NEEDS TO STEP FORWARD AND ACTUALLY TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE ON THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN OUT OF THIS MAYOR-- TIMID, TEPID LEADERSHIP, AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE BODY CAMERAS IN BOSTON.

>> Braude: IF YOU COULD RESPOND TO THAT BRIEFLY, MR.

MAYOR.

>> VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN IN OUR CITY 6%.

ARRESTS IN OUR CITY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, DOWN NEARLY 30%.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING SOMETHING RIGHT, WORKING WITH ALL OF THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY GROUPS AS WELL, TO BRING DOWN ARRESTS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO-- WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE ISSUES OF BOSTON AND THE VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY LOCKING EVERYONE UP.

WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BUILD PROGRAMS.

WE CAN ARGUE AND TALK ABOUT BODY CAMERAS AND I CAN GET CRITICIZED ALL DAY FOR NOT DOING MY JOB, BUT THE PROGRAMS ARE ABOUT CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE ON THE STREETS OF BOSTON.

MAN OF THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL, THEY DROPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WHAT DO THEY DO?

THEY GO TO THE STREETS.

THAT'S ALL THEY KNOW.

THE WAY YOU MOVE BOSTON FORWARD IS CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

>> Braude: YOU MENTIONED JOBS AND THOSE THINGS.

THE CITY SUBMITTED, AS WE ALL KNOW, A BID FOR AMAZON.

YOU HAVE CRITICIZED THE MAYOR FOR PROVIDING $25 MILLION IN TAX INCENTIVES TO G.E.

TO DRAW 800 JOBS HERE, SAYING-- AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM YOU-- TOO HIGH ON INCENTIVES.

THE OTHER NIGHT YOU SAID, "AMAZON GETS NOTHING BUT A SMILE AND PAT ON THE BACK."

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR.

IF $25 MILLION WAS TOO MUCH, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT AMOUNT?

, NUMBER TWO, DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD JUST SAY NO TO ANY TAX INCENTIVES TO DRAW 50,000 JOBS TO THE REGION?

OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE'RE BETTER OFF WITHOUT HAVING AMAZON HERE?

>> WELL, THE ISSUE IS THIS: WE HAVE A MAYOR WHO FAST TRACTION BIDS FOR AMAZON, OLYMPICS, GRAND PRIX, BUT HE SLOW-TRACKS CHANGES TO EDUCATION, AND FULLY FUNDING THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> Braude: WE'LL GET TO EDUCATION.

>> WE'LL GET THERE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO Amazon.com,AISE NOTICE NOTED BEFORE, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD PUT FORWARD FINANCIAL INCENTIVES.

>> Braude: NOTHING?

>> NO.

I DID THESE DEALS.

I HELPED BRING GOOGLE AND MICROSOFT TO THE STATE IN EXPANDING THEIR PRESENCE HERE.

WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THEM HERE BASED ON THE WORKFORCE THAT WE HAVE, BASED ON THE LOCALE THAT WE HAVE, RELATIVE TO TRANSPORTATION.

WHY DID WE PUT FORWARD A HELICOPTER PAD WHEN WE ARE THE CLOSEST-- AND UNDERSTAND THIS IS A $12 MILLION HELICOPTER PAD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY THE STATE, AS WELL AS THE CITY-- WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE CLOSEST COMMUTE FROM THE AIRPORT TO THE CENTER OF THE CITY OF BOSTON.

>> Braude: I WANT TO BE CLEAR IF I CAN-- >> AMAZON SHOULD WANT TO COME HERE.

THEY SHOULD WANT TO COME TO THE CITY OF BOSTON.

>> Braude: JUST TO BE CLEAR, NO TAX INCENTIVES TO AMAZON.

WHEN YOU SAID THE G.E.

TAX INCENTIVES WERE TOO HIGH, YOUR VIEW IS THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING THERE, TOO?

IS THAT YOUR POSITION?

>> WHAT WE ALSO SEE NOW-- >> Braude: IS THAT A YES OR NO.

>> WE SHOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN G.E.-- >> NOTHING.

>> ESPECIALLY NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LAYING PEOPLE OFF.

THAT WAS A BET THAT THE CITY OF BOSTON LOST.

LOST.

>> Braude: DID YOU NOT SUPPORT TAX INCENTIVES, PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, MULTI-MILLION-DOLLAR TAX RELIEF FOR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED, THE FENWAY CENTER DEVELOPMENT JUST A FEW YEARS AGO?

I READ A PORTION OF A SPEECH THAT YOU DID IN FAVOR OF THAT.

SO-- LET'S FUT THIS WAY-- IS YOUR POSITION ACROSS THE BOARD NO TAX INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO COME HERE?

IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE?

>> I BELIEVE TAX INCENTIVES GIVEN TO GENERAL ELECTRIC WERE TOO MUCH.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY NEVER SHOULD BE USED, BUT WHEN IT CAME TO G.E.

AIR, COMPANY WALKING AWAY FROM THE INCENTIVES THAT THEY WERE GIVE NEN CONNECTICUT AND SHE A COMPANY THAT POISONED THE HIEWS TANNIC RIVER IN PITTSFIELD AND OWES OVER $600 MILLION-- >> Braude: BUT ZERO FOR AMAZON.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ZERO.

>> ZERO, I STICK WITH THAT.

>> WE DIDN'T WRITE A CHECK TO GENERAL ELECT.

AND ELECTRIC COMING TO THE CITY OF BOSTON IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON, NOT JUST HAVING GENERAL ELECTRIC WORLD HEADQUARTER INSIDE OUR CITY, BUT THE OTHER TYPES OF COMPANIES IN TOWNS TO ATTRACT HERE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TURN COMPANIES LIKE THAT AWAY.

THE $25 MILLION INCENTIVE WASN'T A CHECK.

IT WAS UP TO $25 MILLION BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING A DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA OF THE-- THE FOUR POINT CHANNEL AREA-- THAT WAS DILAPIDATED.

AND THEY MADE AN INVESTMENT, A $25 MILLION INVESTMENT, INTO OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, AND MADE A $15 MILLION INVESTMENT TO OUR JOBS TRAINING PROGRAMS IN THE GREATER BOSTON AREA, AND $10 MILLION TO HEALTH CARE.

TURNING A COMPANY LIKE GENERAL ELECTRIC AWAY FROM A CITY OF BOSTON, WOULD COMPLETELY BE THE WRONG THING TO DO.

JUST FOR THE RECORD-- THE COUNCILOR TALKS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY HERE FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON-- WHEN HE WAS WORKING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE PATRICK ADMINISTRATION THEY GAVE PLENTY OF TAX CREDITS AWAY BACK THEN.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT TAX CREDITS, I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD GIVE THE STORE AWAY.

AMAZON COMING TO THE CITY OF BOSTON, WE DID NOT PUT IN OUR BID ANY TYPE OF INCENTIVE.

$THERE'S $7 BILLION FROM NEW JERSEY, IF WE GET TO THE NEXT ROUND, WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT INCENTIVES POTENTIALLY-- >> Braude: WILL YOU TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT THOSE INCENTIVES WILL BE BEFORE YOU OFFER THEM?

>> YES, BECAUSE YOU NEED THE HELP OF THE STATE ON THIS.

IT HAS TO BE A COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY AND STATE.

WHAT THE CITY OF BOSTON WILL GET IS REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX WITH THAT DEAL, AND WHAT THE STATE WILL GET IS INCOME TAX.

AND THAT'S A FAR BIGGER NUMBER, BY THE WAY, THAN WHAT WE RECEIVE IN PROPERTY TAX IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

>> Braude: MR.

MAYOR, COUNCILOR JACKSON MENTIONED THE OLYMPICS AND YOUR EFFORT THERE.

ON REFLECTION, ANYTHING YOU WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY, OTHER THAN CALLING THE OPPOSITION 10 PEOPLE ON TWITTER?

DID THE FAILURE OF THAT EFFORT INFORM IN ANY WAY HOW YOU'RE APPROACHING AMAZON?

>> IN SOME WAYS, YES.

>> Braude: WHAT WAYS?

>> WE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE OLYMPICS.

WE LEARNED A LOT AS TO HOW TO MOVE FORWARD PRETTY EARLY IN THE ADMINISTRATION.

AND I WAS THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY PULLED OUT OF THE BID, AND I WAS VERY CLEAR FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT I WAS NOT GOING TO MORTGAGE THE FUTURE OF THE CITY AWAY IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT-- PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT-- THE OLYMPICS-- THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE WANTED ME TO SIGN A DOCUMENT THAT SAID IF THERE WERE COST OVERRUNS OR THE OLYMPICS GOT CANCELED FOR ANY REASON THE COST WOULD BE BORNE BY THE HOST COMMUNITY, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

SO WE DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT.

WE PULLED OUT OF THE OLYMPIC.

WE STARTED TALKING MORE ABOUT PLANNING, BOSTON 2030.

OUR HOUSING PLAN TOOK OFF, AND IN THE OLYMPICS CONVERSATION, WE WERE GOING TO BUILD AN OLYMPIC VILLAGE AND CONVERT THAT AFTERWARDS FOR HOUSING.

WHEN WE PUT THE BID IN FOR AMZONK WE STARTED LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION.

WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE INVESTMENTS WE'VE MADE AS A CITY IN TRANSPORTATION AND THE INVESTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE ON A STATE LEVEL IN TRANSPORTATION.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE BILLED BID.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSE AGO.

>> Braude: A SECRET BID, BY THE WAY, WHICH THE PUBLIC DID NOT SEE.

>> AMAZON DID NOT-- >> Braude: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OLYMPICS.

>> I'M TALKED ABOUT AMAZON.

THE CITY OF BOSTON WASN'T PUTTING THE BID TOGETHER.

IT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY PRIVATE, OUTSIDE PEOPLE.

IF WE WERE PUTTING IT TOGETHER IN THE CITY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN OPEN TRANSPARENT BID.

>> Braude: YOU BROUGHT UP THE OLYMPICS.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE MAYOR SAID?

>> I'M ABSOLUTELY NOT COMFORTABLE.

>> Braude: WHY NOT?

>> HE IS MISUPON REMEMBERING ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE.

I WAS THE PERSON ON THE COUNCIL, THE ONLY PERSON ON THE COUNCIL TO STEP FORWARD AND RESPONSIBILITY OLYMPIC DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SURE WE HAD TRANSPARENCY.

SO HE HAD ALREADY SIGNED THE OLYMPIC JOINDER.

SO THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE A MAYOR WHO SIGNED OFF ON THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF BOSTON.

WHAT WE FOUND OUT WAS THAT THE $9 BILLION THAT THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO COST, IT WAS ACTUALLY $12 BILLION.

AND MAYOR WALSH DISREGARD IT'S REASON WE HAVE 10 PEOPLE ON TWITTER IS BECAUSE HE WAS DISREGARDING PEOPLE WHO VOTE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND WHO CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

IN ADDITION, WE WASTED A WHOLE YEAR, A WHOLE YEAR ON THIS ISSUE, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THE BEGINNING EEND OF LAST YEAR, BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, THAT WE HAD A BUILD B.P.S.

PLANS.

MAYOR WALSH EXPEDITED THE OLYMPICS, EXPEDITED GRAND PRIX, EXPEDITED G.E.

WE'RE TIRED OF CORPORATIONS BEING PUT FORWARD AND FAST TRACKED AS WE SEE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND OUR CLASSROOMS TAKING SECOND-- PLAYING SECOND FID NEL THIS ADMINISTRATION.

>> Braude: DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT BRIEFLY?

>> YEAH, IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS WE ADDED 60,000 NEW JOBS TO THE ECONOMY IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

OUR POPULATION HAS INCREASED BY 30,000.

WE HAVE MORE LEVEL-ONE AND LEVEL-TWO SCHOOLS THAT AT ANY TIME IN THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY, THE THE HIGHEST GRADUATION RATE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HERE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

WHEN YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO HARP ON THE OLYMPICS AND INDY CAR, IT DOESN'T WORK.

THE OLYMPIC CONVERSATION WAS A CONVERSATION, AND WE TOOK WHAT WAS-- WHAT WORKED IN THAT CONVERSATION AND PUT INTO PLANNING IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF BOSTON, MUCH LIKE THEY DID IN NEW YORK CITY IN LOOKING AT PLANNING.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PLANNING ASPECT OF IT.

THE INDY CAR WAS A RACE AROUND THE WATERFRONT FOR THREE DAYS AND WHAT DID IT COST THE TAXPAYERS OF BOSTON?

ZERO.

>> NO, IT IS COSTING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY BECAUSE, ACTUALLY, TWO OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THAT ARE NOW FEDERALLY INDICTED.

AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE MAKING A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

WE ALSO DO NEED TO HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE FUNDING IS ACTUALLY GOING IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

AND WE HAVE TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS A FEDERAL INDICTMENTS, AND DOLLARS THAT ARE FLOWING.

AND MAYOR WALSH CONTINUES TO PAY TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE FEDERALLY INDICTED.

INTERESTINGLY, WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS, IF YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, YOU DO NOT GET PAID ONCE YOU ARE INDICTED.

THIS IS HAPPENING AT A TIME WHEN BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE GETTING CUT DISPLB LET MIM RESPOND.

>> >> THAT'S NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE.

THE INFORMATION THE COUNCILOR TALKED ABOUT IS FALSE.

>> Braude: YOU ARE PAYING THOSE TWO PEOPLE RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> Eagan: AND WHY ARE THEY GETTING PAID?

>> BECAUSE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, YOU'RE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

>> Eagan: LET'S MOVE ON TO EDUCATION BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT EDUCATION AND YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND IMPROVEMENTS MADE IN EDUCATION.

YOU WERE IN A STORY IN THE "BOSTON GLOBE" TALKED ABOUT YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOLS, REINVENTING THE HIGH SCHOOLS, AND THERE IS STILL NOT A PLAN FOR REINVENTING THE HIGH SCHOOL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT MADISON PARK, THE CITY'S VOC ED HIGH SCHOOL.

I THINK IN 2014 EDUCATORS SAID IT WAS IN BIG TROUBLE.

TWO YEARS ANOTHER THE STATE SAID IT WAS UNDERPERFORMING.

LAST YEAR, THE PRINCIPAL WAS SUSPENDED FOR REASONS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

AND THEN HE RESIGNED IN JUNE.

SO YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT AND YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> ONE THING ABOUT MADISON PARK, THERE'S A GREAT LIFE IN THAT SCHOOL WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT GO TO SCHOOL THERE AND THE TEACHERS.

AND THAT SCHOOL DOES HAVE STABILITY IN LEADERSHIP FOR LAST FOUR YEARS.

THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE PRINCIPAL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEADMASTER.

BEFORE I BECAME MAYOR THERE WERE FOUR LEADERS THERE IN FOUR YEARS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE SCHOOL.

THEY'VE MADE INCREMENTAL GAINS IN THAT SCHOOL.

WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE EVERY YEAR OF KIDS CHOOSING MADISON PARK SCHOOL.

>> Eagan: I THOUGHT THE ENROLLMENT WENT WAY DOWN.

>> THIS YEAR IT WENT BACK UP.

WE'RE MAKING INVESTMENTS IN THAT SCHOOL AS WELL.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.

WE LOOK AT ALL OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS.

WE'RE BUILDING THE FIRST DEARBORN STEM ACADEMY HIGH SCHOOL.

RATHER THAN JUST CONTINUALLY THROWING MONEY AT THE SITUATION, WE'RE MAKE CHANGES IN THOSE SCHOOLS.

WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE "GLOBE" THE OTHER DAY THEY ASKED ME WHERE WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE, IF YOU WILL, IN EDUCATION BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING?

AND I SAID HIGH SCHOOL.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO CREATE A PATHWAY FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE SO THEY GRADUATE AND ARE ON A PATHWAY TO SUCCESS OR A PATHWAY TO COLLEGE.

THERE ARE KIDS HERE FROM BRIGHTON HIGH SCHOOL IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, AND BRIGHTON HIGH SCHOOL JUST GOT MOVED FROM A LEVEL THREE TO LEVEL FOUR.

44% OF THE KIDS IN THAT SCHOOL, ENGLISH IS NOT THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE.

I TALKED TO THE STATE ABOUT CHANGING THE WAY WE MARKET OUR SCHOOLS BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR FOR SOME OF THE OUR HIGH SCHOOLS IN BOSTON BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF KIDS WHO ENGLISH IS NOT THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE AND BY THE TIME THEY LEARN ENGLISH AND GET TO A PROFICIENT WAY TO LEARN ENGLISH, THE MCAS HAS GONE BY THAT OR THE PARC HAS GONE BY THEM.

>> AS MAYOR I WILL FULLY FUND THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

THEY CUT $11 MILLION FROM 49 SCHOOLS.

MADISON WAS CUT BY $455,000.

AND FELL TO A LEVEL-FOUR SCHOOL.

WE NEED TO FULLY FUND VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL ED, BUT WE NEED TO FULLY FUND ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

THAT MEANS THERE SHOULD BE A NURSE IN EVERY SCHOOL.

THERE SHOULD BE ART IN EVERY SCHOOL.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN COMPANIES LIKE Amazon.com, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12TH GRADE COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT MAKES EVERY PERSON PREPARED TO RUN A COMPANY LIKE, THAT NOT JUST DELIVER THE PACKAGES THAT Amazon.com ACTUALLY HAS.

IN ADDITION, WE HAVE 4,000 YOUNG PEOPLE WHO RIT WAG TO GET INTOERLY EDUCATION SEATS.

WE ARE UNDERFUNDING THIS EDUCATION SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE OLDEST SINCE 1780, PUBLIC EDUCATION HAS BEEN A REQUIREMENT BY THE STATE OF POLICY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE.

AND UNDER MY ADMINISTRATION, UNDER A JACKSON ADMINISTRATION, WE WILL FULLY FUND AND SUPPORT THESE SCHOOLS.

THE ISSUE, ALSO, IS THAT MAYOR WALSH, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE FUNDING, HE JUST SIMPLY BRUSHES THEM ASIDE-- AND THIS IS WHAT'S TOLD TO YOUNG PEOPLE-- THAT THEY WERE MISINFORMED.

IN ADDITION, I WILL DEMOCRATIZE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM.

I WILL CREATE AN AMAZING, AMAZING SCHOOL COMMIT THEY ACTUALLY IS-- IS DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND NOT APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.

THE MAYORSHIP OF THE CITY OF BOSTON IS TOO STRONG, AND WE MUST DEMOCRATIZE HOW WE ELECT PEOPLE TO THE BOSTON SCHOOL3 COMMITTEE.

>> Braude: WHY SHOULDN I'M SORRY, MARGERY, GO AHEAD.

>> Eagan: I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE TEACHERS' CONTRACT THAT THE MAYOR JUST SIGNED.

IT WAS A TWO-YEAR DEAL, GAVE TEACHES A RAISE, AND NO REFORM.

AND YOU SAID IT WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE TEACHERS.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE $8 MILLION A YEAR GOING TO THESE SURPLUS TEACHERS WHO ARE NOT ASSIGNED TO A CLASSROOM, AND THAT'S-- THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ASSIGNED EVEN FOR TWO YEARS.

SO YOU WANT TO DO ALL THESE THINGS, COUNCILOR JACKSON, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PRO SPENDING, NOT BIG ON REFORM.

SO WHAT KIND OF CONCESSIONS DO YOU THINK ARE FAIR TO GET FROM THE TEACHERS TO BE ABLE TO FUND AND DO THE REFORMS THAT ARE NEEDED?

>> WELL, FIRST, THE SURPLUS TEACHERS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION BY MAYOR WALSH AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.

THEY ENACTED THAT POLICY DECISION THAT COSTS BETWEEN $8-13 MILLION A YEAR.

>> Braude: SHOULD IT BE ELIMINATED?

>> THEY SHOULD BE IN THE CLASSROOMS.

AND PRINCIPALS IN THIS CASE, THOSE TEACHERS SHOULD BE IN THEIR OWN CLASSROOMS, AND IF THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE CLASSROOM.

>> Braude: EXCUSE ME, DOES "NOT IN THE CLASSROOM" MEAN RELEASED, NO LONGER WORK FOR THE CITY?

>> UNDERSTAND, IT IS MY FEELING ABOUT TEACHES-- AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH TEACHERS-- THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE MOST ANGRY ABOUT A TEACHER WHO IS UNDERPERFORMING ARE OTHER TEACHERS.

AND SO PEOPLE IN THAT S.P.C.

POOL-- WHICH IS WHAT IT IS CALLED.

>> Eagan: SURPLUS TEACHERS.

>> THAT ARE FORMER TEACHERS OF THE YEAR, RIGHT?

SO THIS IS NOT A POOL OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT TALENTED.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

BUT I ALSO DO WANT TO NOTE, THIS IS ALSO AN APPOINTED SCHOOL COMMITTEE.

SO ALL OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ARE REALLY AT THE HANDS OF MAYOR WALSH.

I WILL CHANGE THAT APPOINTED SCHOOL COMMITTEE TO AN ELECTED SCHOOL COMMITTEE.

>> I CAN RESPOND.

>> AND DEMOCRATIZE THAT.

>> Braude: LET HIM RESPOND.

>> 2013, THE SCHOOL BUDGET WAS $938 MILLION.

IT'S $1.1 BILLION OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WE'VE MADE AN INCREASE OF $154 MILLION IN THE SCHOOL BUDGET.

WE HAVE INCREASED SPECIAL EDUCATION FUND BUYING 21%.

IN THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET WE PUT IN A LINE ITEM FOR $16 MILLION FOR LEVEL-THREE SCHOOLS BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS OUR LEVEL-THREE SCHOOLS WEREN'T GETTING ADDITIONAL MONEY TO GET OUT OF THAT WHERE THEY'RE IN LEVEL THREE, EITHER GO TO LEVEL FOUR OR TWO.

WE GAVE THEM AN ADDITIONAL $16 MILLION IN THAT AREA.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THE MONEY FOLLOWS THE CHILD.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, OUR GRAMMAR SCHOOLS, THE MONEY FOLLOWS THE CHILD.

THAT MEANS IF THEY'RE IN ONE SCHOOL THIS YEAR AND GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL, THE MONEY GOES WITH THE CHILD.

THE MONEY DOESN'T STAY IN THE SCHOOL THAT IS LOSING KIDS.

WE BACKFILLED THAT LEVEL THREE THIS YEAR.

WE'RE PUTTING ADDITIONAL MONEY INTO THE SCHOOLS.

WE ALSO HAVE THE BUILD B.P.S.

PLAN.

TWO-THIRDS OF THE BUILDINGS IN BOSTON WERE BUILT PRIOR TO WORLD WAR II.

I HEARD A CRIMINAL WE'RE SLOW.

ON TOP OF THAT, WE BUILT THE DEARBORN STEM ACADEMY AND IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE BOSTON ARTS ACADEMY NOW.

AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL COMMITTEE GOES, THE VOTERS OF BOSTON VOTED TWICE FOR AN APPOINTED SCHOOL COMMITTEE.

WE CHANGED THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT SCHOOL.

WE HAVE FIVE OF THE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS, PEOPLE OF COLOR, AND TOP OF, THAT WE HAVE MORE DIVERSITY THERE, AND WE ALSO HAVE MORE PARENTS ON THE SCHOOL DEPARTMENT, WHICH WEREN'T THERE IN THE PAST.

WE TALK ABOUT CRITICIZING THE SCHOOLS.

WE CAN CRITICIZE THEM ALL DAY LONG, BUT WE MADE THE INVESTMENT.

IN UNIVERSAL PREKINDERGARTEN WE HAD 750 NEW SEATS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

I HAVE A PLAN, IF I GET HELP FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO PAY FOR THOSE, BY USING THE MONEY FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER FUND, $16 MILLION, THAT WILL ALLOW US IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, TO HAVE FULLY FUND, HIGH-QUALITY PREKINDERGARTEN IN THE CITY OF BOSTON FOR EVERY SINGLE CHILD IN PREKINDERGARTEN.

SO I WOULD LOVE SOME SUPPORT FROM SOME COUNCILORS TO HELP ME GETTING THAT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Braude: WE HAVE TO HOLD YOU THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A TON OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE WROTE IN ABOUT THAT WE AT LEAST WANT TO TOUCH UPON SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PICK UP THE PACE AND I WANT TO DO IT ON THE ISSUE OF TRANSPARENCY OR LACK OF IT.

COUNCILOR, TONIGHT, AND FROM HAVING LOOKED AT YOUR WEBSITE, UP TO THE FULLY FUND THE SCHOOLS, HIRE MORE COPS, BUILD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DOUBLE ARTS FUNDING, MORE CYCLE TRACTIONS AND THERE ARE MORE EYE DON'T HAVE TIME.

MONTHS AGO YOU PROMISED A JACKSON BUDGET BY SEPTEMBER.

>> YES.

>> Braude: IT'S NOW ALMOST NOVEMBER, AND IT SEEMS TO ME, IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF TRANSPARENCY, BUT MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW YOU CAN ASK SOMEONE TO VOTE FOR YOU WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOUR PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO COST OR HOW YOU INTEND TO PAY FOR THEM?

>> I WILL BE RELEASING A BUDGET IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT MAYOR WALSH, INCLUDING THE B.R.A.

ISSUE THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IN SEVERAL YEARS.

>> Braude: YOU SAID IT WOULD BE OUT IN SEPTEMBER.

>> AND HE'S DONE SOME THINGS THAT TOOK THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

GIVE ME A COUPLE MORE DAYS, AND I WILL BE RELEASING A FULL BUDGET FOR FY-19 THAT WILL ACTUALLY DETAIL HOW WE WILL PAY FOR THESE INITIATIVES.

BUT I WILL GIVE YOU A HINT, THAT WE WILL ADD $30 MILLION TO THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND WE WILL SET ABOUT FULLY FUNDING THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, UNLIKE THIS MAYOR, IN THIS PAST YEAR, AS WELL AS THE PAST YEARS THAT HE'S BEEN HERE.

>> Braude: BRIEFLY.

>> IN THE PAST BUDGET WE INCREASED THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS SPENDING BY $50 MILLION.

>> Braude: I WANT TO STAY WITH-- >> FUNDING, NOT SPENDING.

>> Braude: YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THE QUESTION OF HAVING THESE TWO HIGH-LEVEL PEOPLE OF YOURS WHO WERE INDICTED ON THE CITY PAYROLL, AND YOU SAID DUE PROCESS OR SOMETHING.

IN TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, MR.

MAYOR, NO ONE HAS SUGGESTED YOU ARE BEING INVESTIGATED-- I WANT TO BE CLEAR RIGHT UP FRONT.

YOU HAVE REFUSED TO I SAY WHRIEW APPEARED BEFORE A GRAND JURY.

EXPLAIN, IF YOU CAN, WHY ARE THE VOTERS NOT ENTITLED TO KNOW, WHO ARE GOING TO GO TO THE POLLS ON NOVEMBER 7, YOU EITHER WERE A WITNESS BEFORE A GRAND JURY, OR YOU WERE NOT A WITNESS?

WHY ARE THEY NOT ENTITLED TO KNOW THAT?

>> THERE IS AN OPEN CASE THAT WILL BE HEARD IN JANUARY IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT THAT WILL BE HEARD ON BOTH SIDES.

AND I'M WAITING UNTIL THAT GETS FINISHED.

>> Braude: WHY?

>> BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO HERE.

I'VE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS.

I'VE ANSWERED THEM-- YOU'VE ASKED ME ON YOUR SHOW.

>> Braude: BUT YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED THIS QUESTION.

>> YOU ASKED ME THE SAME THING.

I'M WAITING FOR THIS CASE TO BE DONE.

>> Braude: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT-- >> LET ME JUST GO BACK.

I EXPECT ALL OF MY EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF BOSTON THAT WORK WITH ME TO WORK TO THE HIGHEST IDEALS, AND THIS IS A VERY SAD SITUATION, AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.

AND, AGAIN, WHEN THIS CASE IS RESOLVED, WE'LL SEE-- >> Braude: IS THERE A REASON YOU'RE NOT TELLING US NOW?

>> NO, IT'S AN OPEN CASE.

>> BUT YOU LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

AND THIS SHOWS THAT THE MAYOR IS UNWILLING TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND THE MAYOR WON'T BE TRANSPARENT WHETHER BWHETHER OR NOT HE HAS GONE TO THE COURT, HOW ARE WE-- HOW IS HE LEADING OTHER INDIVIDUALS?

IN ADDITION-- >> Braude: YOU PROMISED A BUDGET A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT, TOO.

>> I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, JIM, THAN A BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT-- I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE I AM PUT INTO OFFICE.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HERE.

IN ADDITION, MAYOR WALSH PULLED TOGETHER AN ETHICS COMMISSION THAT NEVER MET.

AND SO WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES.

AND MY ADMINISTRATION, IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, EVERYBODY WILL RECEIVE ETHICS TRAINING, AND WE WILL ALL BE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD RELATIVE TO THESE ISSUES.

>> Eagan: WE'RE RUN AGO REAL QUICK, GUYS.

>> THESE ARE NOT FACTS.

AND I THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CHECKED.

THERE IS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION AT THE STATE HOUSE ON THE ETHICS, WAITING FOR THAT TO GO THROUGH.

AS FAR AS-- WE'VE HAD ETHICS TRAINING IN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND IT'S THE LAW, IT'S THE LAW-- FROM DAY ONE.

SO IT'S THE LAW.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN SAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO BRING ETHICS TRAINING TO THE CITY OF BOSTON."

IT'S THE LAW.

I HAVE TO DO IT.

>> Eagan: WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS PEOPLE WANT US TO ASK AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS BESIDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TRANSPORTATION.

THE "GLOBE" HAD A STRT OTHER DAY-- A HORRIBLE TRAFFIC STORY ABOUT THE DUCK BOATS AT FANEUIL HALL, AND THERE IS SO MUCH TRAFFIC THEY GAVE UP TRYING TO GET TO CHARLESTOWN OR HARVARD SQUARE BECAUSE OF TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

THE STUDY LAST JUNE PREDICTED THE SEA OF BRAKE LIGHTS ON THE EXPRESSWAY IN 2030.

14,000 MORE PEOPLE ON THE "T" AND TWICE THE CONGESTION AT LOGAN AIRPORT.

IF WE DO GET AMAZON, WE HAVE 50,000 POSSIBLE PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND PLUS WE'LL PUT IN MORE SIEBLG TRACKS.

YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, IN 20 YEARS, WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE SKATEBOARDS TO GET TO WORK.

>> WE PUT FORTH A PLAN TO SIT DOWN AND SEE WHAT THEY WANTED IN TRANSPORTATION.

WE HAD BOSTONIANS FROM ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.

AS FAR AS THE M.B.T.A.

GOES, THAT'S MOSTLY RUN BY THE STATE.

BUT WE HAVE TO WORK IN OUR AMAZON BID, WE CONNECT THE RED LINE TO THE BLUE LINE.

WE WORK WITH BETTER CONNECTIONS AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE M.B.T.A.

AND PUSH THE M.B.T.A., QUITE HONESTLY, TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO MAKE SURE WE CAN UPGRADE THE SERVICE.

THAT'S HAPPENING.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SERVICE OF THE M.B.T.A., THE RED LINE HAS 85% SERVICE, THE BLUE LINE HAS THE BEST, 90% SERVICE.

THE GREEN LINE I THINK GOES DOWN TO 53% SERVICE, AND THE BUSES 43%.

>> Braude: HOW ABOUT THE STREETS.

>> AND WE HAVE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT IS WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.

WE'RE LOOKING AT AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES TO SEE HOW AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE WORK.

IF THAT TRULY IS THE MODE OF THE FUTURE, HOW WE GET AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IN BOSTON, WE HAVE GRIDLOCK.

WE HAVE THE NORTH WASHINGTON STREET BRIDGE BEING RECONSTRUCTED.

WE HAVE THE NORTHERN AVE.

BRIDGE THAT IS SHUT DOWN.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND CREATE BETTER PATHWAYS, UPDATE OUR TECHNOLOGY IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

WE IS OLD TECHNOLOGY.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION, THE POSITIVE, I GUESS IS WE HAVE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE HERE.

THE NEGATIVE SIDE IS, YES, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT COMPANIES NOT COMING HERE BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC BUT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES IN AMERICA BATTLING THE SAME ISSUE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX TO MAKE SURE WE MOVE THE TRAFFIC FORWARD.

ONE MORE THING.

>> Eagan: QUICK.

>> BIKES ARE THE MODE OF THE FUTURE.

>> I KNOW YOU LOVE BIKES AND YOU KNOW YOU LOVE BIKES, BUT ISN'T THE UGLY TRUTH HERE IS THE STREETS OF BOSTON ARE TOO NARROW, BIKES, CARS, TROLLEY TRAINS.

>> IN CERTAIN AREAS THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S AN OLD CITY BUILT WITH COW PATHS AND WE HAVE HEARD THAT A MILLION TIMES.

THERE ARE SOME AREAS, LIKE IN BRIGHT ORANGE WHERE BICYCLE TRACKS OUT THERE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT BICYCLE TRACKS THERE.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT-- WHEN WE CHANGE THE BOSTON PLAJ AND DEVELOPMENT STRAERK WE PUT PLANNING FIRST.

WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT GETTING RID OF IT, WE PUT PLANNING FIRST BECAUSE WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS IS WE BUILT UP THE CITY AND HAVEN'T BUILT THE TRANSPORTATION CITY AROUND IT.

>> Eagan: I KNOW YOU LIKE BIKES.

>> BUT THE ISSUE IS-- >> Eagan: DO YOU HAVE A BIKE?

>> I DO HAVE A BIKE.

IN THIS ADMINISTRATION WE SPEND $5 A YEAR PER PERSON ON BIKE FRURLT.

IN NEW YORK THEY SPEND $15, AND IN SAN FRANCISCO, THEY SPEND $75.

IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, NO ONE SHOULD DIE RIDING A BIKE, AND THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT.

AND WE ARE NOT INVESTING ENOUGH IN THAT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

IN ADDITION, THE M.B.T.A., WE NEED TO LEVERAGE THE FACT THAT WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT $87 MILLION A YEAR FROM THE CITY OF BOSTON'S BUDGET ON THE "T."

WE SHOULD HAVE A REAL SHOULDER INTO THIS AS A REAL DISPARITY ISSUE.

IF YOU LIVE IN MATTAPAN, YOU HAVE A HUGE DISPARITY ISSUE, RELATIVE TO TRANSPORTATION.

AND THIS SHOULD BE AT THE FORE.

IN ADDITION, THIS IS THE REASON I WOULD GET RID OF THE B.R.A.

WE DON'T PLAN IN BOSTON.

WE DEVELOP, BUT WE DON'T PLAN.

AND THE REASON WHY WE HAVE GRIDLOCK IS WE'RE PUTTING UP THOUSANDS OF UNITS AND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY CONNECTING THOSE UNITS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES NEEDED TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE BRINGING MORE PEOPLE IN.

IN ADDITION, I WANT TO-- I WENT TO MEXICO CITY-- PRETTY BIG CITY-- AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED BUS RAPID TRANSIT, WHICH WE COULD PUT FORWARD IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

IT'S A PRETTY OLD CITY, HAS SOME SMALL STREETS IN MEXICO CITY, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT FORWARD A BUS RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN 9 CITY OF BOSTON.

>> Braude: ONE LAST THING ON TRANSPORTATION.

LATE-NIGHT SERVICE, TWO PILOTS, BOTH PILOTS HAVE BEEN CANNED.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE MILLENNIALS COME HERE.

THEY WANT TO STAY OUT LATE.

LOW-WAGE WORK VERSION NO WAY TO GET HOME.

>> IT WAS A MISTAKE TO GET RID OF THAT.

>> Braude: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT?

>> WE PUSHED THE M.B.T.A.

TO KEEP THE SERVICE, AND WE'RE PUSHING THE M.B.T.A.

TO KEEP "THE RIDE KWETZ SERVICE FOR OUR SENIORS.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM, AND I'M HOPEFUL THE NEW GENERAL MANAGER-- NOW THAT THEY'VE HAD THEIR FINANCIAL ISSUES RESOLVED-- NOW THEY CAN TALK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.

>> Braude: DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO LATE-NIGHT SERVICE?

>> I THINK LATE-NIGHT SERVICE IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.

AND WE WOULD TACK A REGIONAL APPROACH.

I THINK YOU CAN WORK WITH OTHER MAYORS ALONG THE LINES TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PUTTING THE PRESSURE WE NEED TO ON THE M.B.T.A.

>> Braude: I'M ALMOST EMBARRASSED TO ASK THIS QUESTION BUT I KNOW IT MATTERS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO QUICK ANSWER: HOW LONG SHOULD SOMEONE BE ABLE TO PUT A REFRIGERATOR OR TOILET OR SOMETHING IN A SPACE IN A SNOWSTORM?

LOOK AT THE SMILE ON YOUR FACE.

>> OH, MAN.

THEY'RE NOT PUTTING REFRIGERATOR GLBZ WHATEVER THEY'RE PUTTING THERE.

GIVE ME A NUMBER.

>> WE ALL COME FROM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PUT SOMETHING IN THE SPACE.

>> Braude: HOUSE?

>> IT DEPENDS ON THE STORM.

IF YOU GET A FLAKE OF SNOW, THERE ARE NO SAVING SPOTS.

IF YOU HAVE SIX INCHES, YOU SHOULD GET 48 HOURS.

>> I AGREE WITH 48 HOURS.

AND AS NOTED, WE HAVE HAD STORM AFTER STORM AFTER STORM.

I THINK IT DOES NEED TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, IF THERE ARE FIVE STORMS IN A ROW.

>> THE SOUTH END DID A PILOT PROGRAM, AND THEY'RE STILL IN IT.

NO SPACE SAVERS, AND IT'S WORKING.

WE'RE WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND SEEING IF OTHER INDUSTRIES WILLING TO DO THIS.

>> Braude: GO AHEAD.

>> Eagan: I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUICK QUALITY-OF-LIFE ISSUE.

YOU HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME IN BOSTON, WHEN YOU HAVE LITTLE KIDS YOU, YOU GET DOWN TO THE SWAN BOATS AND YOU THE MAKE WAY FOR DUCKLINGS STATUES AND THERE ARE NO BATH ROOMS.

I KNOW WE HAD BATHROOMS FOR A WHILE THAT WEREN'T WORKING.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SAFE, MONITORED BATHROOMS SOMEWHERE NEAR THE PUBLIC GARDEN?

>> Braude: QUICKLY, IF YOU CAN.

>> WE'RE GOING TOIK MAY $28 MILLION INVESTMENT IN BOSTON COMMON AND FRANKLIN PARK, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE SPREMENTZ SOME OF THE FLNS BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE PUT INTO A FUND THAT IS GOING TO GIVE OFF INTEREST THAT THEY'LL HAVE HIGHER PERMANENT STAFF THERE DEDICATED-- >> Braude: HOW ABOUT YOU, COUNCILOR?

>> FIRST OFF, THAT MONEY COMES FROM A SHADY DEAL, THE WINTHROP SQUARE GARAGE.

YES, WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES BUT WE ALSO NEED TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

AND TH BURNING ISSUE THAT MAYOR WALSH HAS MADE WORSE.

HE CLOSED THE LONG ISLAND SHELTER.

ACTUALLY, TORE DOWN THE LONG ISLAND BRIDGE AND WE ARE NOW STILL AT A DEFICIT.

AND IF YOU-- YOU DON'T NEED TO ASK ME.

YOU JUST NEED TO SIMPLY GO TO MASS AVE.

AND MELANIA CASS.

AND WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE, AND I THINK IT'S CRITICAL HOW WE DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF HOPELESSNESS.

THAT'S WHY THE ISSUE OF VOUCHERS IS SO CRITICAL BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE MORE HOMELESS FOLKS IN THE CITY.

IN ADDITION, EVEN IN THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THERE ARE 4,000 HOMELESS STUDENTS CURRENTLY ATTENDING THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT WE KNOW OF.

WE NEED A MAYOR WHO WILL ROLL HIS SLEEVES UP-- NOT BUILD FENCES BUT BUILD BRIDGES AND RECONNECT THE LONG ISLAND-- >> Eagan: I WANT TO ASK QUICK ABOUT LONG ISLAND.

YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD HAVE A BOAT TO GO OUT THERE TO LONG ISLAND TO GET PEOPLE BACK THERE.

WERE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THAT?

>> NEW TECHNOLOGY.

>> Eagan: I KNOW, BUT WERE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THAT?

WE'RE NOT GOG HAVE A BRIDGE, APPARENTLY.

>> MAYOR WALSH SAID HE WOULD BUILD A NEW BRIDGE AND HAS NOT BUILT A NEW BRIDGE.

IT'S INTERESTING.

WE CAN PULL TOGETHER A PLAN FOR AMAZON IN A MONTH AND A HALF, BUT WE CAN'T PULL TOGETHER A PLAN FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM ADDICTION?

>> Braude: HOMELESSNESS.

>> HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, IN THE LAST THREE YEARS WE HAVE HOUSED 12,000 CHRONICALLY IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

AND, ALSO, WHEN THE BRIDGE CLOSED, WHEN THE BRIDGE WAS OPEN WHAT, WE USE TO DO IN THE CITY OF BOSTON-- BEFORE I WAS MAYOR WAS WE WOULD TAKE HOMELESS PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS AND SHIP THEM OUT TO LONG ISLAND AND NOT DEAL WITH THE ISSUE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THE ISSUE.

SOME DAY THERE WILL BE A BRIDGE BUILT BACK TO LONG ISLAND.

UN WHAT WILL NOT BE GOING BACK THERE IS THE HOMELESS PEOPLE?

WE SHOULDN'T BE HIDING HOMELESS PEOPLE BUT WORK TO GET THEM A HOME AND PUT IN THE SUPPORTS.

THAT'S WHAT MY ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE AND THE COUNCILOR KNOWS WHAT MY ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE WITH HOMELESSNESS AND ADDICTION OVER THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

>> AND I KNOW YOU HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM FUNDING PROJECT SORE, AND SAFE HARBOR.

ONE OF THE PROGRAMS IS FOR H.I.V., INDIVIDUALS WITH ADDICTION ISSUES.

I HAD AN INDIVIDUAL IN MY OFFICE, ONE WHO HAD A JOB AND NO LONGER HAS A JOB BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES.

IT COST $20 MILLION TO TEAR THE BRIDGE DOWN.

HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING COULD WE HAVE BUILT WITH BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING VERSUS A BRAND NEW BRIDGE?

>> THE BRIDGE WAS CRUMBLING INTO THE ATLANTIC OCEAN.

>> Braude: WE'RE GOING TO END ON AN UP NOTE, GENTLEMEN, WHETHER YOU WANT TO OR NOT.

YOU'RE GOING TO START BY TELLING ME THE BEST THING HE HAS DONE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND YOU CAN'T SAY HE IS GOOD TO HIS MOTHER.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

>> Braude: WHAT'S THE BEST THING HE'S DONE AS MAYOR.

30 SECONDS.

>> THE BEST THING MAYOR WALSH HAS DONE.

WOW.

I THINK THAT MAYOR WALSH HAS TRIED TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES AROUND OPIOIDS.

I DON'T THINK HE HAS BEEN NECESSARILY ALL SUCCESSFUL IN THAT SPAIRKS BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT HE HAS ACTUALLY MADE AN ATTEMPT TO DEAL WITH THIS.

>> Braude: THAT'S THE BEST THING HE'S DONE.

WHAT'S THE BEST THING HE HAS DONE?

>> THAT WAS NOT A ROUSING BEST THING DI.

>> Braude: NO, IT IS NOT.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THE COUNCILOR HAS AS A PERSON IS HE CARES ABOUT OUR KIDS AND OUR CITIES.

WE MIGHT DISAGREE ON CERTAIN THINGS BUT HE CARES PASSIONATE ABOUT KIDS.

BEFORE HE WAS RUNNING FOR THE MAYOR OF BOSTON, THAT ALWAYS CAME UP IN CONVERSATION, AND YOU HAVE TO LOVE THAT.

YOU HAVE TO LOVE THAT WE HAVE PUBLIC SERVANTS IN OUR CITY THAT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT KIDS.

WE MIGHT NOT AGREE ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT WE CARE ABOUT THOSE KIDS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.

>> Braude: THAT'S IT.

THANKS FOR WATCHING AND LISTENING.

THANKS TO CANDIDATES COUNCILOR JACKSON AND MAYOR WALSH FOR PARTICIPATING.

AND NOW YOU CAN THANK THEM, TOO.

( APPLAUSE ) >> Eagan: AND, REMEMBER, ELECTION DAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7.

>> HE'S JIM BRAUDE, I'M MARGERY EAGAN.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

>> Braude: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

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